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Sep 09, 2005 22:14 # 38814

adlaius *** announces...

Linux for Old People

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I thought I might mention that the latest stable GNOME release is now available for public consumption. I know that some folk here aren't terribly keen on the project, but I mention it for a reason.

I'm currently downloading Ubuntu 5.10 (though I use Gentoo), because it features this new GNOME desktop (I prefer Window Maker). Why? My father's hard drive mysteriously died a few days ago, and my repeated attempts to resurrect it have mostly failed. I have backed up what I could, ordered a new hard drive, and, you guessed it, begun downloading Ubuntu so that he can use his computer without having to buy a new copy of Windows.

It makes sense from a practical standpoint as well: GNOME may be too big and slow and corporate–feeling for the average Linux geek, but it works great for people like my dad, who don't have the slightest clue how to use a computer (I saw him the other day struggling with the concept of the "restore/maximize" titlebar button in Windows, for example).

I've been a F/OSS *NIX advocate for six or seven years now, and have seen many people in the community (myself very much included) continue to hold a standoffish attitude toward the “common folk”, telling them things like, “If you're too stupid to write your own lexical parser for [insert random task here], you're too stupid to be allowed near computers”

As strange as I feel in saying it, I am starting to understand people like the GNOME developers. It's the same as with the Web: it's frustrating to see the potential of a technology “ruined” or “dumbed down” so that everybody and their pet iguana can use it, but there's really no danger of the geeks running out of power tools to play with. Gedit won't make Vim go away. It'll just let people like my father make Notepad go away :-)

"There are two tragedies in life. One is to lose your heart's desire. The other is to gain it." -GBS

Sep 17, 2005 23:17 # 38935

yoshi314 * replies...

No way to put it better

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Couldn't agree more. what most geeks cannot understand is that there are people who use computers, but are not really interested in getting a deep understanding how everything works.

most linux freaks believe that you need to deserve to use linux. it's getting us nowhere. i took linux in order to learn stuff.

my friend uses linux so that he has access to lots of free software and he can hack on the system (he is deep into programming). i know a couple of girls that use linux, simply because it does not crash in the most inapropriate moment,is actually easy to use, and they do not have any problems with viruses or dialers.

the last group is really NOT INTERESTED how it all works. telling them about open source and stuff is not interesting. they simply use their pc's for simple stuff like listening music, watching movies or browsing the net.

the amazing thing about linux is that it can be as hardcore as you can possibly imagine (LFS or even worse :D) or pretty user friendly (ubuntu/suse/fedora/xandros). it's just a matter of distribution and tools used for the job.

linux gives you a choice. many people forget that there is an option for inexperienced users as well.

"Life is a queue. You come in, hang around for a bit, get some service, then depart."

This post was edited by yoshi314 on Sep 17, 2005.

Mar 28, 2007 00:19 # 44266

smashedmotif * replies...

Re: No way to put it better

linux gives you a choice. many people forget that there is an option for inexperienced users as well.

Nice point, yoshi314. Myself, I like using command line when using Linux. Especially nice is, the instant messaging option. Also, I like the "who" option, seeing where and how other users are connected to the server.

Fun, fun, fun!!!

I love reading Russian Literature!!!

Nov 17, 2005 09:25 # 40533

Magicdead *** replies...

Re: Linux for Old People

I have to agree on that one..

my whole university is running debian with gnome (or Sun OS on a few machines, and windows 2000 on a few others) there's 18'000 ppl at that university and none of em have problems using gnome workstations.

I think gnome is pretty intuitive and noone has problems finding a browser (as far as the know that mozilla IS a browser) in gnome when they've never been in front of a linux/gnome desktop before.

the only reason why I haven't installed Ubuntu und my dad's computer already is that he needs some windows programs 8and he's afraid of learning new stuff, no matter how much telling him that it isn't much to learn)

but well, i think my dad is really the best example for the ppl that don't want to go in depth with computers. He still believes that a folder in windows xp showing images as this slideshow thingy is actually a program and that when he double-clicks the folder, he starts a new programm showing hime the images. i remember him being all happy about this fancy pictureviewing programm he found out about... well didn't tell him that that's just a windows xp folder view, he seemed so happy :)

cya Magic

"The wise have always said the same things, and fools have always done the opposite"-Schopenhauer

Mar 28, 2007 16:52 # 44270

ginsterbusch *** replies...

Re: Linux for Old People

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the only reason why I haven't installed Ubuntu und my dad's computer already is that he needs some windows programs 8and he's afraid of learning new stuff, no matter how much telling him that it isn't much to learn)

So what is the situation right now? My beloved one is very fond of Kubuntu and the K Desktop Enviroment in general. If you configure it the right way, its handling resembles in most parts that of windows whilst keeping the advantages of Linux and KDE itself for the rest.

The windows troubles might be solved using an up-to-date version of WINE. Additionally, you might want to install a virtual machine using Windows 2000 or 98 SE and show him how to use it, at least the easiest steps.

cu, w0lf.

beards are cool. every villain has one!

This post was edited by ginsterbusch on Mar 28, 2007.

Apr 02, 2007 16:28 # 44321

Magicdead *** replies...

Re: Linux for Old People

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Or I could just NOT help him out of his misery (using Windows IS a misery) and instead enjoy a beautiful day in the sun, aka I know exactly how much trouble you create yourself when you give something like a linux system to someone who lacks even the most basic knowledge when it comes to computers. To prove this, I'd like to mention that he has at least 1 problem every 2 months with windows (Problems due to his doing, not the ones you get by simply running it) and the fact that friends of mine with an average/a little above average knowledge of computers still ask me about linux problems sort of often.
So my dad, with his A LOT less than average knowledge would have A LOT more than average problems, which I simply cannot help him with due to me living 6 hours away from my parents. I haven't even got enough time to help him with all windows problems ^^

And then again, I start disliking Ubuntu more and more with every new release they make. And I've had enough of spreading Linux to the world, as I've got better things to do, like going to parties with sweet blonde girls from island O_o ^^

cya Magic

P.s. well maybe someday my mum can convince him to use a Mac ;) Which would free me of the work and still give him a better experience

"The wise have always said the same things, and fools have always done the opposite"-Schopenhauer

Apr 03, 2007 13:33 # 44328

ginsterbusch *** replies...

Re: Linux for Old People

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And then again, I start disliking Ubuntu more and more with every new release they make.

well .. I started liking Ubuntu with the current release, 6.10. Before that, I wasnt too fond of it.

Basically, I'm a GNU/Debian-lover. Ubuntu is based on Debian. Damn Small Linux, too. Thus, three great distributions (six, if you count Kubuntu, Xubuntu and Fluxbuntu as seperate ones) to choose from.

Just ask Alp Uckan (who is a Ubuntu fan, too) for more about this.

And I've had enough of spreading Linux to the world, as I've got better things to do, like going to parties with sweet blonde girls from island O_o ^^

Well .. life is hard to single folks ;-P
I dont give a fuck about blonde girls .. blondes are overrated ;-P

cu, w0lf.

beards are cool. every villain has one!

Sep 04, 2007 11:34 # 44907

oKtosiTe * replies...

Re: Linux for Old People

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My own dad is quite happy dual-booting Ubuntu and XP. He mostly uses Ubuntu to for e-mail, browsing, writing letters, downloading stuff. Windows usually only gets booted for his route planning software.
Then again, my dad's not a complete technophobe.

The greatest thing for me in all this is, if he really messes up, which happens from time to time (he has administrator privileges), all I need to do is reinstall the system, leaving the home partition intact. I can leave the installing of programs to him.

I can't remember how many times he broke Windows installations, ranging from 3.1 to XP, forcing me to look for personal stuff all over the place, asking him "are you sure that's everything?" etc. I gave up on trying to convince my parents to make regular backups...

Or is it?

This post was edited by oKtosiTe on Sep 04, 2007.

Sep 23, 2007 13:46 # 44946

yoshi314 * replies...

Re: Linux for Old People

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The greatest thing for me in all this is, if he really messes up, which happens from time to time (he has administrator privileges),

what?! He has admin priviledges? What for? Isn't sudo good enough from time to time (sys updates and stuff)?

"Life is a queue. You come in, hang around for a bit, get some service, then depart."

Sep 23, 2007 18:17 # 44949

oKtosiTe * replies...

Re: Linux for Old People

what?! He has admin priviledges? What for? Isn't sudo good enough from time to time (sys updates and stuff)?

He has admin privileges in the sense that he can use sudo, install programs and updates. Of course he's not working as root. ;-)

Or is it?

Mar 27, 2007 16:46 # 44255

smashedmotif * agrees...

Re: Linux for Old People

This is a great post. I had many chuckles when reading it. I couldn't agree more with you, adlaius. I am add this to my favorites.:)

I love reading Russian Literature!!!


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