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Apr 23, 2006 23:33 # 42602

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Wake up call

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What the hell is the matter with people, what are we asleep?
Our enemies are not
a mad man(hitler) writes a book claiming he is going to kill all the jews and is planing word domination,
no one takes him seriouslly, and then he comes to power and almost manages to carry out his plan.
Now we have another mad man in iran making the same threats aimed at the same people, he is gaining rapidlly more power and could soon pose a bigger threat than the nazi's if he gets his hands on nuclear wheapons, and no one is doing anything to stop him. There is a lot of talk but no action, what are we gonna wait for the mushroom cloud before some one stops this monster.
The new axis of evil iran, hamas , islamic jehad, alquaeda, this islamic terrorism needs to be confronted, preferablly before we have half the world blown to smitherines and the other half being forced to convert to islam or to live as dihimies with the jizya tax man knocking at our doors.
The only thing worse that another war is a nuclear armed iran.
We need to wake up.

Apr 24, 2006 04:14 # 42605

ginsterbusch *** replies...

Wake up yourself!

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Now we have another mad man in iran making the same threats aimed at the same people, he is gaining rapidlly more power and could soon pose a bigger threat than the nazi's if he gets his hands on nuclear wheapons, and no one is doing anything to stop him

There's this other mad man actually ruling the united states of america looking and behaving very similar to the other guy you mentioned before. When that other guy was given the power to rule over a country, other more powerful people thought he would be easy to steer, just a puppet in their hands, because he talked a lot of shit and seemed to be not too bright as well. But they were proven wrong.

That's just like this mad man from the US - starting a war against other countries based on very questionable reasons, which were proven completely wrong after that war ended, anyway.

Germany was ruled for 12 years by a total mad man, who totally ab- and overused the power given to him. Let's see how long this american guy is going to do that, too. And to what obscenities and lengthies he will go to achieve his bizzare goals.

cu, w0lf.

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This post was edited by ginsterbusch on Apr 24, 2006.

Apr 24, 2006 07:58 # 42608

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Re: Wake up yourself!

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Your right bush is a compleate idiot
he sends young men to die in a war that didnt need fighting
he's a liar and a hypocrit, but your missing the point.
We live in democracys, we can vote to have our governments changed, iranians cannot do that.
There are some restraints on the bush mad man,
what restrictions are on dictators?
This iranian creep apparantlly believes that by throwing the world into chaos he will usher in a messianic age where islam will dominate the world, and he finances islamic terrorists groups who would be happy to help him achive that.( Not to mention our own stupidity when it comes to political correctness)the mad man in america, and phony blair of england are only as powerfull and dangerous as the nexed election allows them to be, a mad dictater with no threat of being replaced who believes in this appocalyptic vission, has the means and motive to carrie it out is a massive danger that neeeds to be stoped preferablly before the mushroom cloud.

Apr 24, 2006 07:28 # 42607

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Re: Wake up call

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a mad man(hitler)

You misspelled 'Bush'. Maybe watching Fox News is bad for your IQ after all.


On a side note (and thank you Dermot for giving me this great idea)...

Public offer:

The first pro-war Bushie to write me will win a FREE flight ticket to Baghdad, plus hotel, to document the tremendous success of the US occupation in liberating and stabilising the country. The only condition is that you spend your holiday outside of the Green Zone and document how you publicly express your support of the war (US citizens may optionally wave their passport around). According to the Bush people you should be greeted with flowers after that, so it's basically a free trip to the sun and friendly people.
Any takers?

When life hands you a lemon, that's 40% of your RDA of vitamin C taken care of.

Apr 24, 2006 10:06 # 42609

MelMel *** replies...

Re: Wake up call

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Personally, my biggest global worry is the situation in North Korea and it leading to a nuclear arms race in the region, which will lead to my own country (Autralia) joining in with the fun and games.

my .02

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Apr 24, 2006 11:02 # 42610

lightyears * replies...

Re: Wake up call

Your right, north korea is a big threat, but noth korea already have nuclear wheapons, so that is a more difficult and dangerous situation.
But one mad dictator armed with nuclear wheapons is one to many
we dont need another one in iran. Here we have a small window of oppotunity to stop another dictator from aquiring nuclear wheapons, and the world powers are inactive, they talk alot but that will not save us from the mushroom cloud.

Apr 24, 2006 11:19 # 42611

null replies...

Re: Wake up call

The funny thing is, there's no evidence that suggests Iran is going to use their radioactive stuff for anything besides electricity.
And even if the Irani government would ever want to build the bomb, it would mainly be thanks to ongoing military threats by the USA. Did you know that Iran had a pretty moderate government before Bush started to bully them?

When life hands you a lemon, that's 40% of your RDA of vitamin C taken care of.

Apr 24, 2006 12:03 # 42612

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Re: Wake up call

Iran has a vast amount of oil, they dont need to use nuclear material for energy. And there is reasonable inteligens to believe that iran is trying to aquire nuclear wheapons( i would be interested to here your definition of moderate) regardless of wheather you agree with the us government, listen to what the iranian mad man is saying listen to his threats, how do you think he plans to wipe israel of the map?
And even if the usa has some responsibility for alot of the problems in the middle east, does that mean that we should just sit by wile a deranged mad man aquires nuclear wheapons?
And its not just israel that is in danger, the iranian mad man calls israel the little satan and america the big satan, he looks at people who are not muslim as infadells, and actualy wouldnt mind killing alot of us or forcing convrtion, he sees nothing wrong in throwing the world into nuclear caos becouse he believes that it will usher in a messianic age of muslim world domination.
At what point will we wake up, before or after the mushroom cloud?

Apr 24, 2006 14:12 # 42613

null rants...

Re: Wake up call

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And there is reasonable inteligens to believe that iran is trying to aquire nuclear wheapons

Is that the same intelligence that has reported Iraq to own 'nucular' weapons and other WMDs?

the iranian mad man calls israel the little satan and america the big satan

Not to be outdone, the American mad man has declared Iran part of his "Axis of evil" and thinks God is speaking to him. That guy already has nuclear weapons, and he's openly stated that he's not afraid to use them.
Did you know that in addition to skyrocketing cancer rates in Iraq, European countries have noticed a doubling in radioactive particles when US troops started using depleted uranium shells in Iraq?
Also, when until now it was next to impossible for terrorists to collect enough uranium for a bomb, all they need to do now is walk around a battlefield with a Geiger counter and pick it up. Great move, George - that has made the world a safer place.

As for numbers, correct me if I'm wrong here -
Democratically elected governments overthrown by Iran: 0
Unilateral unprovoked wars started by Iran: 0
Foreign countries currently occupied by Iranian troops against the will of the people living there: 0
Innocent civilians killed by Iranian troops during such occupations: probably not many

Iran may not be perfect, but considering the USA's record of warmongering, killing and bullying, the fact that Bush says Iran is a risk is just ridiculous.

If you want to invade a country just because "they might have nukes", "their president is an ass", "they're a threat to world peace", "they violate human rights" or "they torture innocents", the USA so top the bill of countries to 'liberate' to smithereens.

If you've got a little time to kill, may I also suggest you this article, Is Your Entire Country on Crack?. I didn't bother to check all the facts, but in any case it's an entertaining read.


Some Hitler facts which by any measure should be obvious, but sadly aren't for too many people:

  • Hitler did not get up one morning to announce on the radio "hey all you Germans, let's be evil and burn some innocent jews" and everybody cheered at the thought and joined him. ("Whaaat, it wasn't like that?" - surprised screams from the pro-Bush corner of the room)

  • Most fascists were like the pro-Bushies now - deliberately misinformed by government-friendly media, politically uneducated and (thanks to propaganda) convinced that the Jews, communists etc. etc. were to blame for everything and "fighting back" against them was the right thing to do. Those that did not fall for Hitler's lies were quickly silenced and blamed as "unpatriotic".

  • Hitler didn't just hold a speech and say "hey people, we're gonna invade Poland now." Nazi soldiers staged an incursion of Polish troops into Germany, to which Hitler "reacted" with a "retaliatory strike".

  • And as far as it concerns freedom and democracy - Hitler was rightfully elected.

Repeatedly screaming "Hitler" is not an excuse for warmongering or political games (by the way, "9/11" or "terrorism" are just as bad). Killing tens of thousands of Iraqis or Iranians under the premise that "their government might hate us" is not helping world peace, and neither is bombing innocent Palestinians because "we're Jews and as such are always the victims, no matter the circumstances". Imagine what could be if the USA stopped bullying and invading other nations and Israel renounced the illegally occupied Palestinian land? Could it be, oh, I don't know... that after a few years, fewer people would hate those countries? That people whose entire family wasn't killed by foreign troops wouldn't be so enthusiastic about becoming suicide bombers? Or what if just a fraction of the money that goes into "preemptive strikes" was spent to aid the people of those countries? Isn't it wiser to make friends than to make enemies and then do your best to intimidate them?

Might be... but it sure is more patriotic to demonstrate strength and bomb the shit out of everybody before they make their minds up. Right?

When life hands you a lemon, that's 40% of your RDA of vitamin C taken care of.

This post was edited by null on Apr 24, 2006.

Apr 24, 2006 17:54 # 42619

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Re: Wake up call

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On a sidenote: The real power in Iran is this guy, who actually released some rule against using nuclear power in any other way than for electricity purposes!

Found in one of the articles mentioned in null's first post to this thread.

cu, w0lf.

beards are cool. every villain has one!

Apr 24, 2006 20:34 # 42621

lightyears * replies...

Re: Wake up call

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What ever bush and his administration do, living in a democracy you can vote him out sooner or later.
Iran is not the sweet little angel you try to paint it out to be it is brutle dictatorship.
Warmongering i think you will find is preciclly what iran is doing, threatning another nation with anialation,
by the way not every one who is against islamic terrorism is a bush fan,(i have many a bone of contention with the bush administation.
Is it just america who see's a nuclear iran as a threat?
Now about the arabs that call themselves palastinians, what makes them so inocent, they voted for hamas didnt they?
There never was is or has been palastnian land, that is pure propaganda and the territories are disputed not occupied.
Arrabs where killing jews long before israel won those tertitories back in self deffence.(Sinse when does a country that win territory in self defence, return it to the very people who attacked them).
And i keep hearing how these suicide bomings are throuhg arab despairation, what was the arab excuse when they bombed london?In madrid ? And all the other contries where arabs decide to blow up inocent civilians
now what hitler did do was write a book declaring his intentions of eliminating the jews, he ranted on and on about it a no one listend
now we have another mad man declaring pretty much the same thing
and again no one is taking him seriouslly.
There are many people in the world have have suffered real or percieved injustices but only the arabs use this as a reason to target inocent civilians .
But to get back to the original point , what ever thwrongs of america, irans president is an islamic fandimentalist mad man who is trying to aquire nuclear wheapons,and if he sucseeds there is no reason to believe, considering he believes throwing the world into chaos with bring a messianic age, that he won't use them, who will stop him? And will they do it in time?

Apr 25, 2006 04:33 # 42627

ginsterbusch *** is getting sarcastic...

Re: Wake up call

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But to get back to the original point , what ever thwrongs of america, irans president is an islamic fandimentalist mad man who is trying to aquire nuclear wheapons,and if he sucseeds there is no reason to believe, considering he believes throwing the world into chaos with bring a messianic age, that he won't use them, who will stop him? And will they do it in time?

Are you reading actually ANY of the replies you've got, or are you simply repeating yourself over and over again, ignoring any other opinions? Or maybe you are an automated script that tries to up set the users of this forum - anyway, I dont care.

Read the replies - esp. the ones written by null - again carefully. Note some difference? In the US, there's no real democracy any more - just an option to choose the lesser of two evils. In a real democracy there would be more than just two parties, like it is the case within European countries. And even if that would be possible, I think US citizens are already so brain-deaded thanks to the pro-government-aimed media (what money can buy ...) that they're going to elect Gov. Bush for the next 12 years over and over again. They already did for a second time - would that have happened in a country with more open, unbridled media? Well ... the austrians un-elected their former right-conservative government - right-wing folks = similar to Republicans in the US (no, sorry, I cant see no differences at all, thank you very much!).

By now, I'm too tired (it's 6:30 a.m. and I havent slept for more than 24h) and, more than that, disgusted about the whole situation. Go re-insert your brain ... or something else.

G'night,

tia, cu, w0lf.

cu, w0lf.

cu, w0lf.

beards are cool. every villain has one!

Apr 25, 2006 07:11 # 42628

null replies...

Re: Wake up call

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Iran is not the sweet little angel you try to paint it out to be

Where did I paint Iran as a sweet little angel?

There never was is or has been palastnian land, that is pure propaganda and the territories are disputed not occupied.

Do you know how many UN resolutions Israel is currently ignoring? I don't know the exact number, but I'd be willing to bet it's a lot. Of course if by disputed you mean "those UN resolutions are disputed by the Israeli government", you're correct. But that doesn't make the situation any better.

Now about the arabs that call themselves palastinians, what makes them so inocent, they voted for hamas didnt they?

Do I understand you right, first you want to spread democracy and then you want to tell people who to vote for?

but only the arabs use this as a reason to target inocent civilians .

Again and again - is it really so hard not to think of other people as "all the same"? In all of your posts you make it sound like all Arabs want to kill you, all Palestinians are terrorists, all Iranians want to blow up the world, ... how about a change, say "some Palestinians are terrorists, but the majority of them just want a place to live in peace and 2-3 meals a day like everybody else"? You're painting such a black-white picture of the world, it's incredible.

Besides - would you go and tell this to a Palestinian whose family was killed by Israeli troops as 'collateral damage'?

irans president is an islamic fandimentalist mad man who is trying to aquire nuclear wheapons

You keep claiming this yet you still haven't answered the question why we should believe this.

considering he believes throwing the world into chaos with bring a messianic age, that he won't use them, who will stop him?

Oh, I agree with you on this. Bush should be shot before he can do that.

When life hands you a lemon, that's 40% of your RDA of vitamin C taken care of.

Apr 25, 2006 08:35 # 42629

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The un resolutions are predecated on the arabs stopping terrism
wich so far they have not done.
And one last point about the un
isnt this the same un, that when it gets bored ,got nothing better to do decides to get together and condemn israel,(not exectly an unbiased even handed organisation.)
And no the territories are disputed not ocupied, but wile we are on the subject,
before 1967 egypt ocupied gaza and jorden ocupide the so called west bank, i didnt here any calls for a palastinian state then.

There nver was a palstine the only nation ever to have a state in that teritorie is israel. But what about jorden wich was created on part of mandetorie palastine, not exactly a legal state but that was given to the arabs by the british so they have a palastinian state.
And you obviouslly dont know much about democracy if you believe that all that is required for a democracy is the ability to vote,
suppose you had a group ofserial killers and you got them to vote a leader who could aid them in killing thire victims , would you call this also democratic.
In a democracy you have free and fair ellections
you have freedom of press(ie not the propaganda that the arabs in israel have ) in a democracy disagreeing with your government does not get you convicted to colabarating with an enemy. Democracy presuposes that the people are free and well informed enough to make reasonable choises.
When it come to the arabs in isrel i meen the majority
when i speek about iranians i meen the government.
And i never said that i whanted to spread democracy, that was president bush.
What would you say to a father who's pregnant wife and fore little girls where shot dead by arab gun men,
what to say to a mother who's baby whas shot dead by a palstinan gun man? And what of the attack last week where a father and his 2 small children wached as thire mother was blown to smitherines, you wonna talk of atrocities and victims here, you think this is not justification for israel to fight back, if the arabs dont like colataral damage then stop killing israeli's and then there with be no need fore israel to strike at terrorist and then there will be no insidences of colataral damage. But there is the diference , wile fighting thr terorist some time inocent people do get killed.(But how many less would get killed if the arab terrorist did not use its own people as human shields by fireing the rockets and morters from heavelly populated areas?) Wich is vastlly difernt to delibaratly targeting inocent cilvilians men woman children and babys
the so called palastinan arabs have voted in terror group who they know aspires to destroy israel, and they should pay the consiquences.Peace loving peole dont vote in terrorist groups
they dont teach thire children to hate they dont put guns in the hands of small children, they dont encourage thire kids to grow up to become"martyres" to blow them selves up so as to kill injure and maim as many inocent israeli men woman children and babys as posible.
And about iran believe the intelgence or dont , my point is iran has enough energy in oil to not need nuclear energy, and you might be happy to by i would rather not wait for the mushroom cloud before i take the threat seriouslly.
And the iranian leader saia he believes that by throwing the world into chaos he will bring the 12th imam some islamic messia
it is no bush who is claiming this.
And just to refer to an earlier post
if americans are so angree with bush what the hell did they elect his for? If they are not happy with either party, there are other partys, its just no one votes for them.


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