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Aug 29, 2006 01:54 # 43380

jbooker ** throws in his two cents...

Here's to Jaz: Internet Prophet!

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Seriously, when Jaz created this site all those years ago (and although the footer says 2002, the site's been going a lot longer than that) he must have had some future-vision-inducing drug in his system.

Lets take a few points:

  • Forums - This site had forums long before products such as phpBB started the current fad of every website having to have forums

  • Socially-controlled sites - Sites like wikipedia use social control to (attempt to) maintain the accuracy and quality of its articles. Sites like slashdot and digg have people-rating systems allowing people more credibility the more eloquently and relevantly they write. (I believe slashdot predates slashdot though). netalive has had the user-rating system (with its 'fading' user ratings for non-participation) since the beginning!

  • Blogs - what can I say. User journals. It's just a shame that Jaz didn't allow people to put more into their own profiles - netalive could be myspace. except that's not necessarily a good thing

  • 'Buddy Lists' - another myspace thing, netalive has had the ability to add users as friends, and see who has who as friends, again since the beginning

Can anyone else think of ways in which netalive.org has been an epiphany of web concepts that, unfortunately, haven't earned Jaz lots and lots of money?

I think a big portion of the problem with netalive is the limited set of forums - i think if Jaz were to add new, perhaps more specialised forums to the list it might bring in new members.

Other (probably simple to implement) features would be xml-feeds of individual forums, user journals etc may help bring some life back into the site.

Let me know what you think

-J

They will never forget you 'til somebody new comes along... - The Eagles, "New Kid in Town"

Aug 29, 2006 09:01 # 43382

majic *** mindlessly drivels...

Re: Here's to Jaz: Internet Prophet!

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Can anyone else think of ways in which netalive.org has been an epiphany of web concepts that, unfortunately, haven't earned Jaz lots and lots of money?

The personalized content when you log in, no doubt about it!

myspace

MySpace is the ghetto of the internet where the trash come out to play, where the pedophiles and the socially inept hang out and prey. I don't think anyone creating or maintaining a website wants to reproduce a site as vial as MySpace. The only thing worth reimplementing is the authors bank account.

Socially-controlled site

Only in terms of content, not in terms of new features, ideas, bug fixes, etc...

When do the bugs that get mentioned get fixed? Why hasn't the "Quote selected text" function been fixed in Firefox 1.5? I don't think it's that much to ask considering I posted that one about a year ago, I think that's ample time. Yes I understand Jaz has a life and his top priority isn't NAO's bug count. Fortunately I have no problem typing the tags for cite manually and copying and pasting... Which brings me full circle, there should be more people helping to fix bugs but that implies concepts that were flamed about 6 years ago. And to be honest I know the position and I know that the powers that be are not open to it and likely will never be.

At what point do you (as a user) stop making suggestions? At what point does your opinion, ideas stop mattering? This is easy to answer, the minute the controlling entities stop listening to you. A socially controlled website is a living breathing machine that needs feeback, progress and change. If these are missing then the social order breaks down and dissolves.

I think a big portion of the problem with netalive is the limited set of forums

At what point do you saturate the website with too many forums? I don't think the addage "If you build it they will come" works in this instance. If I have a thousand topics to choose from in order to make my post does that mean I will post something worth reading?

Other (probably simple to implement) features would be xml-feeds of individual forums, user journals etc may help bring some life back into the site.

I mentioned a similar feature long ago although I said downloadable user threads/journals for instance as a pdf document. Probably not that difficult to implement since there are plenty of free libs out there to make your choice of downloadable feeds (if you will). The problem is getting the team one person to listen to the community implement it.

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* majic waits to see how many people respond with inflammatory remarks or ratings.

Aug 31, 2006 16:13 # 43387

zen *** replies...

Re: Here's to Jaz: Internet Prophet!

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"as vial"

I think you mean vile. A vial is a little container that crack or blood is transported in.
Ironically speaking, you might just have spoken the truth of the matter.

Personally, i think that the whole media blitz, and innundation about pedaphiles and predators prowling around MySpace is an exaggeration. Undoubtedly, there are some there. True, people do get lured into becoming victims.
But to me it seems that for the number of members, millions that they have the tiny percentage of problems, like .01% of problems they have doesn't justify all the media hype.

To me, the problem is in the medium of the internet itself, which is essentially a "wild West" frontier, with every little policing--except what people themselves do, for themselves.
The true problem is the parents who don't watch their children, and aren't included in their kids "friends list" so that they can monitor what they do.

The greater threat is by the conservatives who will close down these democratizing venues such as MySpace, YouTube, Google.videos, and others where, essentially, everyone has an equal voice. It is a stated right-wing agenda to get corporate, and government control over the Web so that it is not such a free place.

Toward that goal, it's obvious that the corporate controlled media outlets use the very few examples of kids being abducted, or whatever, as their heralds for clamping down control on the true democracy of this world: the Internet.

Once Fred Neitszche declared God is Dead, f*ck became the most important word in the English languag

Aug 31, 2006 17:06 # 43389

majic *** replies...

Re: Here's to Jaz: Internet Prophet!

I think you mean vile.

My friend you are correct! Haha... I forgot to check dictionary.com before I wrote that... Vile is not a world I use regularly.

The greater threat is by the conservatives who will close down these democratizing venues such as MySpace, YouTube, Google.videos, and others where, essentially, everyone has an equal voice. It is a stated right-wing agenda to get corporate, and government control over the Web so that it is not such a free place.

And we have the audacity to call ourselves a free people. Bah!

Our freedom has a direct relationship with how much money is in our bank account.

Aug 31, 2006 16:01 # 43386

zen *** replies...

Re: Here's to Jaz: Internet Prophet!

I don't know about bringing in new members. Quite honestly, i think that the number of users here, now, is ideal. Not too big for people to feel lost, not too small for things to get boring. Some people come, and some people go, but there's usually something, or other--in the course of my week, that I can learn or comment on here.

There's an inherent problemn when "social experiments", such as this site, or MySpace, deviantart, Litkicks, et al. get bigger, and increase their viewership: Stuff changes. Things change, and often not for the better--both Majic and I will give the case of Litkicks as an abject lesson of this very issue as our standards.

I do agree that more forums would be a good thing, for the purpose of instigating more creative writing. Sometimes I would like to post things, but they don't fit into the colums given, so they generally go into my journal. Posting more to forums is a great way to foster group unity, and a sense of community.

I really love the philosophy behind the ratings system, in theory. The social control of it is an excellent thing, when used with a little intellegence, compassion and thought.

I agree that Jaz has wrough an excellent site into the world of the Web...although I wonder if calling him a "visionary" might be a little too, well, melodramatic.

Once Fred Neitszche declared God is Dead, f*ck became the most important word in the English languag

Aug 31, 2006 17:02 # 43388

majic *** replies...

Re: Here's to Jaz: Internet Prophet!

both Majic and I will give the case of Litkicks as an abject lesson of this very issue as our standards.

I emailed the author of Litkicks to express my dissapointment in the lack of direction he took the site. His response was even more disappointing and I haven't been back since. He screwed the pooch on that shit. He had a good thing and ruined it.

I really love the philosophy behind the ratings system, in theory. The social control of it is an excellent thing, when used with a little intellegence, compassion and thought.

I have a lot of respect for you zen and I respect your opinion on the rating system. I'd rather see something like how reddit.com does it. You either get thumbs up or down instead of some psuedo-percentage that makes you feel like your back in school trying to get a high enough grade so your friends won't laugh and to get you onto summer (minus summer school)...


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