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Mar 20, 2007 19:48 # 44119

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NAO: Quality Offensive 2007

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It's no secret that there's not much happening on NAO these days, even though plenty of users log in every day.

Thus I've come to the conclusion that you're a lazy bunch :-P

No, seriously. I, too, am not writing a lot these days. 1. because I don't have too much time to write, and 2. because I don't have a lot of ideas and there's not much other stuff to reply to.

Also, call me narcissistic (this word looks rather odd, but I've looked it up and Merriam-Webster's says it's the correct spelling) if you like, but when I do post something these days I get next to no feedback, a fact which I find rather discouraging because for all I know I might just be writing for myself, which frankly I would consider a complete waste of valuable time. I mean, I don't expect standing ovations for everything I spill on this site :-) but some kind of reaction would definitely be better than nothing at all.

Maybe some people have similar feelings, I don't really know.

Anyhow, I digress. Here's what I'm asking of you:

Rate!

It gives the post author a little feedback, readers in a hurry see what's worth their limited time and what's not, and everybody gets their cool stars back.

Write!

If you have an interesting thought, an interesting question or just an interesting computer problem, post it here for others to see. Your idea might just start an insightful discussion that results in the answer to life, the universe and everything.

Reply!

Add your thoughts to other people's posts. It doesn't have to be something new, the forums are full of stuff that ranges from mediocre to great.

Of course I know that that's not always as easy as it sounds. That's why I'm trying to bribe you just a little bit (hey, it worked last time):

  • The two users who write the highest-ranking posts during the course of the next two weeks will receive about 1/2 kg of Swiss chocolate.

  • The two users who rate the most posts during the course of the next two weeks will receive a slightly smaller (but still tasty) packet.
    (Note that NAO is pretty good at detecting abusive rating behaviour. Usually the respective user's rating power is silently adjusted and that's it; if however you deal out random ratings to some random posts to get the chocolate you'll be disqualified, so please don't do that.)

Well, I could probably write some more stuff but that's basically it. Now go post & rate something, take care and enjoy your day!

When life hands you a lemon, that's 40% of your RDA of vitamin C taken care of.

Mar 21, 2007 00:56 # 44122

yoshi314 * replies...

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Thanks for the reminder. I already forgot about the whole post ranking. (Too much time away from nao, i guess).

"Life is a queue. You come in, hang around for a bit, get some service, then depart."

Mar 21, 2007 08:24 # 44126

null replies...

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I already forgot about the whole post ranking.

Oh. Well, if that's a common thing it would explain a lot :-)

When life hands you a lemon, that's 40% of your RDA of vitamin C taken care of.

Mar 22, 2007 05:00 # 44152

charlie *** throws in his two cents...

Re: NAO: Quality Offensive 2007

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If we're all so busy - and we are - perhaps the lack of posting is a usability issue.

Consider how many clicks it takes to make a post from your first log in. Consider how many clicks it takes to reply from the login screen.

Perhaps we need some new features. A "create new post in (pull down forum list)" button. Or a list of top ten most recently commented on posts, both right at log on. Would that create a lot of server overhead?

Just a thought.

Please contiune to vote AND post.

Mar 27, 2007 13:36 # 44251

null replies...

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Consider how many clicks it takes to make a post from your first log in.

*counts* 3 clicks? I suppose it depends on where you want to post.

I thought about some client-side application (say, a Windows program) that lets you read/write posts and send instant messages. But you probably know what happens when a big project coincides with a serious shortage of free time...

As for server overhead, the average CPU is below 1% and we've got some 300 Gigs of free disk space, so I don't think it'd be an issue.

When life hands you a lemon, that's 40% of your RDA of vitamin C taken care of.

Mar 29, 2007 22:51 # 44274

yoshi314 * wants to know...

Re: NAO: Quality Offensive 2007

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Consider how many clicks it takes to make a post from your first log in.

is anyone beside me thinking of xml-rpc right now?: >

"Life is a queue. You come in, hang around for a bit, get some service, then depart."

Mar 29, 2007 23:01 # 44275

smashedmotif * replies...

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is anyone beside me thinking of xml-rpc right now?: >

I might be, but I don't know in what context you phrase the question. Then again, I might be getting over my head in this topic. Please excuse me if I am.

Cheers!

I love reading Russian Literature!!!

Apr 18, 2007 05:15 # 44403

MelMel *** replies...

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Hell! Who isn't!

*Coughs and backs away before anyone realises she has no idea what that is*

Look at me! I'm a prostitute robot from the future!

Mar 21, 2007 10:57 # 44132

Orchid *** throws in her two cents...

Re: NAO: Quality Offensive 2007

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There are two reasons for my consistent absence on NAO: The one is time, the other is missing posts from my favourite users, missing posts at all and missing intelligent posts with burning topics.

Working slightly above 100 percent and training twice to three times a week plus absolving an italian language course, my private life is down to 0.5 at that moment in my life.

And well, i miss the insightfull and brilliant postings from users I got to know IRL like Andromacha, Jaz, Ettena, ginsterbusch, Martin, MrCrash and of course null. And it's not that there were other users who took that place.

That's just my two cents. Oh and rating needs time, too, which I don't have, see texting above.

"Sie wollen nichts anderes. Sie wollen kämpfen! Sie sind Soldaten! Fucking Wahnsinnige!" - Noel G.

Mar 21, 2007 17:53 # 44134

ginsterbusch *** replies...

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And well, i miss the insightfull and brilliant postings from users I got to know IRL like Andromacha, Jaz, Ettena, ginsterbusch, Martin, MrCrash and of course null. And it's not that there were other users who took that place

Well, its just that I've got two blogs at hand, an own life and lots of stuff to do within the new company. So - time factor is the word, too. Missing time, actually.

Maybe after I've settled in a bit, I may return with good stuff again.

cu, w0lf.

beards are cool. every villain has one!

Mar 21, 2007 23:20 # 44145

smashedmotif * replies...

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"Maybe after I've settled in a bit, I may return with good stuff again."[note: the quote function was not working at the time of this post]

That's the spirit. Hope is there, you can smell it, like an aroma of eucalyptus trees blowing off in the distance. You can hear it, like the howling of a wolf. You can sense it, like the boy on "Sixth Sense," who could "...see dead people."

Okay, well maybe the last example doesn't fly too well -- or at all -- but, I am trying to add a level of comedy here.;)

I hope I am encouraging, most of all.

I love reading Russian Literature!!!

Mar 25, 2007 23:27 # 44189

andromacha *** replies...

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I think that things somehow got hectic for all of the community. I don't know why, but I don't seem to find time to log in as much as I used to. Not considering that now I am temporarily using Hawkeye's laptop, after having screwed up mine by pouring coke on it :(

The incentive at rating and posting is admittedly very inviting, null :P I guess it will definitely work with guys, but I don't know about girls though... we're too keen on maintaining a diet ;)

Also, thanks for the nice words Orchid. I know I wish I could be here more often, and I wish we all could talk and write about the old good topics we somehow managed to bring up in the past. Probably all of this discussing, writing and reading during these last years sort of exhausted all the questions that could come up to mind to people of our age. Maybe now that we are growing up and getting older we'll find new topics to discuss with each other... or this is what I am hoping anyway.

In any case, so far it seems that Null's plan is working quite a bit. Today when I logged in I had 18 new topics to read plus 6 journals. Unfortunately not all of them were rated though, but that's okay. I am trying to look quickly through them in order to dedicate the little time I have to those which could interest me the most.

Let's try to bring life back to the community. I say such things to myself first and foremost, but I hope that they will be of advice also to the other members. Let's come up with new ideas, discussions, topics, rants... Anything that could tear away the cobwebs from the corners of this community!

Italy no longer accepts illegal immigrants. Mr. B sink their boats!!!!!!!

Mar 26, 2007 06:33 # 44190

null replies...

Re: NAO: Quality Offensive 2007

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In any case, so far it seems that Null's plan is working quite a bit.

Considering the last week's posts-per-user statistics, that statement'd be even more true if my plan included kidnapping smashedmotif and tying him in front of a keyboard :-P but of course I'm happy about every user who contributes/d something!

By the way, the chocolate I send is of good quality and suitable for hoarding. I know that you girls love to hoard all kinds of things, so maybe that's a little extra bit of incentive. (Though, why anybody would want to acquire chocolate and then keep it locked away for several months is beyond me.) Or if that's still not good enough I can also send Swiss low-fat curd cheese or carrots.

When life hands you a lemon, that's 40% of your RDA of vitamin C taken care of.

This post was edited by null on Mar 26, 2007.

Mar 26, 2007 07:13 # 44197

smashedmotif * replies...

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Considering the last week's posts-per-user statistics

It's only because I've seemingly found a home away from home here at NAO.

I love to type here and don't even mind that I've given more info about me in such a sort time, when otherwise I'd remain anonymous for the sake of fear of the unknown. Or something.:)

I love reading Russian Literature!!!

Mar 26, 2007 07:04 # 44194

smashedmotif * throws in his two cents...

Re: NAO: Quality Offensive 2007

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Let's come up with new ideas, discussions, topics, rants...

This is a great idea. Out with the old and in with the new.

I love reading Russian Literature!!!

Mar 21, 2007 23:10 # 44144

smashedmotif * replies...

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"It's no secret that there's not much happening on NAO these days, even though plenty of users log in every day."[note: the quote function was not working during this post]:

It's a good thing you mentioned this, Null, I thought it was just me.

As a newcomer to this community, I was hoping that overnight I'd suddenly be able to post at least 4 posts. As it was, days passed and I was still at a 2-post limit.

The more I read, the more I wanted to reply to posts and rate posts. Having a limit didn't help and frustration surged -- not really -- and I was suddenly finding my self pondering if it was even worth it.

Even, as I was sort of dismayed about not being able to post as much as I felt I needed to, I equated the acquirement of a high rating on this page as earning a high level of an online-multiplayer-role playing game.(see my stats under highscores, here, as "Signy7"; note my agility score)

On NAO, questions came to mind,"What role was I playing?" What 'monsters' did I have to slay?" Instead of slaying monsters and building up an armory and bank, I had to build up my acceptance, just so I could write.

Now, no one can stop me from writing per se, but as for the writing on this page, I had to "gain the respect" of fellow NAO-ians. Or is that NAO-atians. Maybe it is NAO-innians.

To be sure, I want to write and have others read the writings. I want to reply and be replied to. Also, I want to rate and rate others. But, if it isn't appealing to anyone, I don't want to waste my time in doing so. Therefore, I charge all of us to get in here and tap away at our key boards.

"Charge!"

"Oops, I forgot to lace my lace my boot."

[stoops to lace his boot, glancing up to see fellow writers charging off as a band of warriors]

"Hey, wait up, fellow writers, my boot is unlaced!"

I love reading Russian Literature!!!

Mar 22, 2007 08:10 # 44156

null replies...

Re: NAO: Quality Offensive 2007

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As it was, days passed and I was still at a 2-post limit.

Unfortunately this limit is necessary to keep the occasional troll from crapping all over the place. The idea is that once other users rate your posts, your rank increases and you get to write more posts - a measure for the site to know how much 'trust' it can put in you. In reality you didn't rank up fast enough because people weren't rating (they do now, hooray!). Until your rank is high enough, I'll just have to temporarily increase your post limit on a daily basis :-)

When life hands you a lemon, that's 40% of your RDA of vitamin C taken care of.

Mar 22, 2007 15:53 # 44160

smashedmotif * replies...

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"...temporarily increase your post limit on a daily basis(null)..."

I'll make ya' proud, you'll see. Yep' ya' kun truss me, yes siree, Bob! [continues to babble in the background about not letting others down, while in the meantime everyone has returned to their own lives]

I love reading Russian Literature!!!

Mar 25, 2007 23:25 # 44188

Deimos ** replies...

Re: NAO: Quality Offensive 2007

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Chocolate, eh?

Nothing like a bit of bribery.

Like a lot of other people I left due to lack of time, inclination and...well, thats basically it. But of course if such a tasty prize is up for grabs then I guess I can make my particularly odd yet scathing brand of sarcasm availiable for general consumption again. ;)

Sir Deimos, Beater of Ass.

Mar 26, 2007 06:35 # 44192

null replies...

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my particularly odd yet scathing brand of sarcasm

Whee! :-)

When life hands you a lemon, that's 40% of your RDA of vitamin C taken care of.

This post was edited by null on Mar 26, 2007.

Mar 26, 2007 14:05 # 44212

Hawkeye *** replies...

Re: NAO: Quality Offensive 2007

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I'll bite. And I do mean literally.. I want that chocolate. All you other NAOmites better watch out. ;)

And no, I don't agree with you when you say women won't want to post well on account of their 'diet.' Women secretly yearn for chocolate, I have no doubts. Ever see a woman receive a box of chocolates?

Woman: "Chocolate?! For me?! Aww.. you shouldn't have. I'm on a diet, so I'm not going to probably eat it.. But you're sweet anyway."
Man: "I just thought I'd bring something for our..."
*Woman staring at box of chocolates*
Man: "...date. You ready to go?"
*Woman continuing to stare at box of chocolates*
Man: "You okay?"
Woman: "Yes, chocolate! I'd love some, thanks!"
*Woman reaches into box of chocolates happily*

If the world should blow itself up,the last audible voice would be an expert saying it can't be done

Mar 26, 2007 15:13 # 44215

andromacha *** replies...

Re: NAO: Quality Offensive 2007

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You're basically stating that we, women, have no will power whatsoever. Ever thought that maybe we can actually control what we eat, and in which quantity do we eat it? Maybe we do eat chocolate despite we're on a diet. This doesn't mean, however, that we're breaking our diet you know. It just mean that we calculated rapidly how many calories we can afford to choke down without gaining too much fat, which would gently deposit on our buttocks ;)

And we do have will power. Today for example I did not eat any tiny little bit of chocolate at all. And you know well that we have that at our place. However, my will power is strong enough to keep me from even desiring it ;) Heh today I am spitting out words as if I were a classical British poet :P

Anyway, if the Swiss chocolate Null was referring to was the Lindt Lidor eggs... well count me in. And if I win, fill me up with white ones ;)

Italy no longer accepts illegal immigrants. Mr. B sink their boats!!!!!!!

Mar 26, 2007 16:05 # 44216

Hawkeye *** replies...

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You all read that didn't you? I didn't make her say that. She just said she has will power against chocolate, and then she asks for white chocolate. :D

You're one of a kind, my dear.

If the world should blow itself up,the last audible voice would be an expert saying it can't be done

Mar 26, 2007 16:42 # 44223

null throws in his two cents...

Re: NAO: Quality Offensive 2007

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She just said she has will power against chocolate, and then she asks for white chocolate.

I think no further comment is necessary. Heh.

(Oh, and the white Lindor stuff is of course available. They also have introduced new sorts a while ago, have you yet had a chance to try the stracciatella Lindor?)

When life hands you a lemon, that's 40% of your RDA of vitamin C taken care of.

Mar 26, 2007 17:06 # 44227

smashedmotif * throws in his two cents...

Re: NAO: Quality Offensive 2007

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On Chocolate

White chocolate, as I have come to understand it, isn't anything but the cocao butter, minus the caffeine and what not.

I would say that it is the longing for satiety that brings us to wanting and needing some lipids in our diet.

Creamy fat from cows milk, the butter of white chocolate, both leaving the "full" feeling on our palate, is only but a natural desire we have in seeking nutrients and satiety.

And anyways, without some lipids, we can't absorb lipid based nutriets. What other reason to justify the consuming of chocolate; in moderation, of course.

I like white chocolate, but when it comes to eating chocolate, I need both parts.

(From the Diary of a Chocolate Lover: smashedmotif)

I love reading Russian Literature!!!

This post was edited by smashedmotif on Mar 26, 2007.

Apr 03, 2007 20:52 # 44338

smashedmotif * wants to know...

Re: NAO: Quality Offensive 2007

Where has everyone gone? It seemed as if a surge of posts had begun, but now, it seems as if posters are trailing off.

I love reading Russian Literature!!!

This post was edited by smashedmotif on Apr 03, 2007.

Apr 04, 2007 07:05 # 44345

null throws in his two cents...

Re: NAO: Quality Offensive 2007

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I think the initial enthusiasm kinda vanished, or something. Oh well...

When life hands you a lemon, that's 40% of your RDA of vitamin C taken care of.

Apr 04, 2007 16:17 # 44347

smashedmotif * replies...

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That just may be true. I bet that something with the magnetic influence of the moon had to do with it, too. Hard to tell.

I love reading Russian Literature!!!

Apr 18, 2007 05:21 # 44404

MelMel *** replies...

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Smashedmotif, i've just returned from something like a six month vacation from here...And i must say, you've had me chuckling all afternoon. You get two thumbs up from me and a couple of virtual gold stars. Keep up the good work my friend.
-Mel

Look at me! I'm a prostitute robot from the future!

Apr 18, 2007 05:50 # 44405

smashedmotif * replies...

Re: NAO: Quality Offensive 2007

you've had me chuckling all afternoon

Yeah, I'm not a failure.

It is a most welcomed compliment that you have written and I thank thee.:-)

The caveat to a compliment of which you've given is, though I feel encouraged and edified, I will now have a spell of writings that will lead me in a downward spiral. The lot has been cast, even, with this reply. Woe, woe, woe is me.

I love reading Russian Literature!!!

This post was edited by smashedmotif on Apr 18, 2007.

Apr 19, 2007 03:58 # 44418

MelMel *** replies...

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Caution young one, i bid thee less haste. Thou wants glams, cawdor, all... Yet i prithee to maintian ones current path and reap the joys and rewards that are warranted you.

Yeah, uhh, my brain hurts now.

Look at me! I'm a prostitute robot from the future!

Apr 19, 2007 06:07 # 44420

smashedmotif * replies...

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Caution

But I thought I was only showing deference and showing appreciation.

young one

I seek a fountain of youth, but my old bones fail me, my eyes fail me, my ears fail me, and this pounding in my chest, is heavy and laden with memories of youth. I've not forgot who I am, but the light is fading and I hear a voice at the end of this tunnel. The voice, the voice, the voice.

I love reading Russian Literature!!!

This post was edited by smashedmotif on Apr 19, 2007.

Apr 19, 2007 06:19 # 44423

MelMel *** replies...

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That read beautifully...Until my brain ruined it by making that 'voice' holler out "yahooooo" in the style of those late 90s advertisements. Many apologies.

Look at me! I'm a prostitute robot from the future!

Apr 11, 2007 01:55 # 44385

ginsterbusch *** replies...

Re: NAO: Quality Offensive 2007

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My main problem about posting is: These days, my primary language for posts is NOT english, but my mother tongue - German.

I'm concentrating mainly on the 2 blogs I'm authoring - AlltagsGrauen, my personal puke corner and data travelers for more serious and all that IT and geeky stuff.

Also there's that allmighty time factor which is sucking up all the energy to write up at least a half-witted post.

cu, w0lf.

beards are cool. every villain has one!

Apr 14, 2007 08:58 # 44395

smashedmotif * replies...

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Well, I think you're doing a great job, no matter what.

I love reading Russian Literature!!!

Apr 04, 2007 07:18 # 44346

null announces...

And the winner is...

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All right people, these are the final results, I think...

The two users who wrote the highest-ranking posts

One of the few things about my life i hate. by Deimos, and
Re: Thai Tea by smashedmotif.

The two users who rated the most posts

smashedmotif again with a whopping 82 ratings, followed by
baexcell with 31 ratings.
(andromacha was a close third with 30 ratings.)

Congratulations to the winners, and thanks to everybody for contributing!

The winners are invited to send me a snail mail address to send the chocolate to.

When life hands you a lemon, that's 40% of your RDA of vitamin C taken care of.

Apr 04, 2007 16:20 # 44348

smashedmotif * feels excited about...

Re: And the winner is...

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No Way! I never win anything. Honest.

Well, once at a senior citizen's banquet I actually won a table center piece, which was an arrangement of flowers.

Afterwards I gave it to my mom.

Thank you.

I love reading Russian Literature!!!

Apr 05, 2007 07:13 # 44359

null replies...

Re: And the winner is...

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Well you didn't win it so much as earn it, so that's okay :-)

When life hands you a lemon, that's 40% of your RDA of vitamin C taken care of.

Apr 05, 2007 07:26 # 44362

smashedmotif * replies...

Re: And the winner is...

Excellent point. I did not initially see it that way.

I love reading Russian Literature!!!

Apr 05, 2007 07:24 # 44361

andromacha *** wants to note...

Re: And the winner is...

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I think that this situation just expresses Nao's natural and normal traffic. I mean, we all have our own lives. Growing up, we're naturally facing more problems and things in real life, and therefore we may have less time to spend writing posts here.

I am not saying this just to be... pessimistic, but I think that this is an established trend lately. It is normal though, and I don't think we should see it as something negative. This morning I am spending a little time here, before going to class (in an hour), even though I could have slept a little longer. But Hawkeye woke up and he went straight to work. He may be online later and give a little contribution, but this depends on whether he has the time or not.

TIME. This is the key factor I think. Living alone with my husband, now I have to do things I wasn't used to be doing all the time when I was still living with my parents. And these include cleaning the house, do the laundry and ironing too. And these utilitarianistic occupations, my friends, require time. Especially when I have to iron Hawkeye's shitty long sleeved shirts. Not that it bugs me, mind you. I like sending my husband to work in a nice suit, and all tidy and everything. But ironing requires time, so do the house chores. So do my classes (I have 6 straight hours everyday), and so does my work. As you can see, aside from the late evening, I don't have much time to spend here on Nao, read and rate the posts people have written, and furthermore write my own.

Don't get me wrong. I am not happy with this situation either, because I wish I had more time to spend on here, and to write and give more of my contributions. But I do have to face real life too. And unfortunately real life is quite a jealous lover. If you don't take care about it well enough, it will get back to you and constantly remind of what you did wrong and of the things you have yet to do.

So, I think that this lack of posts is somewhat physiological. Me and Hawkeye got married, Null and Orchid got married, and time has to be dedicated to the family of course. While other Naoiees aren't married, I think that there is big stuff going on in their lives too, and therefore they don't have very much time to spend on nao. This is NORMAL. We are not the little kids or young guys we were 5 or more years ago. Things have gone by, our lives have been changed. So while when I was 19 I had time to spend here, didn't have to iron Hawkeye's shirts or clean the house more than necessary (my mom did most of the job), now I gotta face new tasks. And I am sure that we are all facing new things and stuff that requires time for us to spend in real life rather than the internet.

I miss chatting with null and orchid here on Nao, like I miss the occasional chats I had with other naoiies. But I cannot really complain about the situation. For those who are still young (not that I am old, but I mean for those who are still in their teens), it is obvious that they will feel this lack of people here. I would have felt it too 5 years ago. But I simply don't now. Not because there isn't, but because I realize that it is something that had to be expected sometimes. Many Naoiees are close to their 30s, Hawkeye and I follow at 25 and 24, we are all growing up, getting more adults, facing more responsibilities... it is obvious that you will see less of us here.

Well, after having rambled about all of this, I promise I will try to be on a little more often. I don't know exactly how I will manage to do this, but I will do it as long as it is possible and feasible according to my schedule at the university, at work...

Italy no longer accepts illegal immigrants. Mr. B sink their boats!!!!!!!

Apr 05, 2007 08:15 # 44363

smashedmotif * throws in his two cents...

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Great point, andromacha.

As for ironing shirts, did you know there are the type that can be washed, tossed [in the dryer or shaken out after drying on the line] and then worn?

I used to iron a military uniform every day of my life for four years. It's true!

There were times I used the cleaners for high-starch presses, but they would wrinkle the cargo pockets.

Plus, I was tired of starch and the shinny-like look that would result from too hot of an iron. Instead, I used magic sizing, a non-starch spray that gave a starch-like crisp to my uniform.

Now a days, when my fiancee travels for work, I iron her shirts for her. One reason I iron for her, it saves her time when packing. Another reason is because I like to iron. Okay, I love to iron, but I don't want to sound like I am bragging. A third reason I iron is because it keeps my ironing skills up for when I have to iron my clothes. But, see, I have wrinkle-free type clothing and I don't iron for me much. A final reason, possibly, I iron for her is because I know she likes me to because a nice ironed shirt reminds her of me when she is away. And isn't that so sweet.:)

Enough on ironing, though.

As for time, I know what you mean. I can understand and agree with your statements on how time is limited and priorities take precedent in our lives, where before, when we were "of time," we could jump on the net and do some posting.

There are phases to an existence and there is a time for everything.

Sometimes, there will be time to log on and even there will be time when wanting to log on, won't actualize itself.

In the latter case, time will pass and the "need" to log on to post will subside and seasons will change.

Suddenly, we may find ourselves at a new era in life that will no longer involve the feelings -- often fleeting -- of posting here. Though, even many years may pass and as long as this server, wherever, is running, this page will remain.

Thus, in the light of the statement just made, the importance of writing here won't matter much in the sense of priorities, but will matter more in the sense of the sentimental.

*The sentimental makes real the feeling of loss when not having the time to post when the desire exists.

When the desire no longer exists in context that priorities take over and desire is "forgotten" or has "moved on," the sentimental remains to comfort for the sake of fond memories.

What may be important in the end, is that the sentimental is always made time for and the "forgetting" of the desire is eleviated with making time for the sentimental.

Don't get me wrong. I am not happy with this situation either, because I wish I had more time to spend on here, and to write and give more of my contributions

The pasted above is an example of the sentimental presented here,(my impromtu-self-developed theory). The sentimental is being developed in your stating of "not being happy."

By stating, "...I wish I had more time to spend on here...," you also exemplify the remembering of the desire, which, possibly, in a few years will be replaced with a "forgotten" desire.

Though, I speculate that subconsiously, any journal posting of any sort, virtual-wise or written, will bring fond memories of the time on NOA.

*Take home message

I love reading Russian Literature!!!

This post was edited by smashedmotif on Apr 05, 2007.

Apr 06, 2007 07:48 # 44372

andromacha *** rants...

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As for ironing shirts, did you know there are the type that can be washed, tossed [in the dryer or shaken out after drying on the line] and then worn?

If you are talking about something like this then I don't think you'll catch me ever buying it. First of all because it costs 75 dollars, and I think it is nuts. Secondly, because here in Italy we love to go to this store that has been running since 1957. My parents started to go there (actually it was my mom for herself first, and then for my dad later on), and I bought Hawkeye a nice sets of wonderful, fine, elegant shirts there. Not only I wouldn't "betray" them because they always give us a little discount on the overall price whether it is sales time or not, but also because nobody could beat their quality.

Secondly, I will always try to privilege the made in Italy product. This company makes their own clothes here in Italy, they don't have the multinationals' trend to go abroad (normally in poor countries) to exploit people's work.

I am full of contradictions maybe, because then I buy Benetton's and Nike's for myself. But then these two multinationals don't exploit as much as others do (like Adidas for example).

Quality is very important, not only to me, but overall in Italy. I would buy something expensive only if it is of an excellent quality. And unfortunately I gotta say (not that I want to bash America or anything like that) that the American standards as far as clothes are concerned are way lower than ours. Hawkeye has gotten some long sleeved shirts from his parents lately. One is even a Tommy Hilfiger's. Well they suck. We already had this discussion, and I hope he won't get upset again. But afterall I am the one doing the laundry and ironing, so I think I know what I am talking about. Well, this poor shirt of his is made in "100% cotton". Yeah, right. 100% cotton my foot. I will tell you, it is made in a way indefinite fabric that feels soft to the touch, but is the ironing board's nightmare. To give you an idea, while my average time to iron a shirt is 7 minutes and a half, last time I ironed that it took me 20 minutes. This is not normal! And it's not even me lacking of technique. My mom tried to iron it too, and it took her 17 minutes.

I know it will sound nasty, but since Hawkeye likes the shirt, everytime I have to wash it, I bring it to my mom's, and she gets her house maid to iron it hihi ;) I just have to remember to bring it there either on Sunday or Wednesday, otherwise I am screwed.

Some people I know have this reasoning: "I don't care if it is low quality, I want something cheap". And then they buy a pair of shoes for 10 € and these shoes will last three months. On the contrary, I don't mind paying 170 € for a pair of Nike that I like and that I know I will be wearing for at least 4 years. Furthermore, I don't want to buy that Chinese crap that is invading Italy lately. We really have too much of that sh**. They come here with their cheap and low quality products, and they try to get people to buy them, in spite of our Italian economy. I wish we could keep China out of our market, to be honest. I am fed up with these people who exploit children, and then sell products under cost here.

In the 50s or 60s here in Italy things would cost quite a bit if compared to an average paycheck. What did people do then? Well they saved up the money, and then they bought the items. Like one pair of shoes or two at most in a year. That's more than enough. I just cannot stand those people who say "I have to buy 8 pairs of shoes in a year, so that I can have more possibilities to combine them with my clothes", and then they buy Chinese counterfacts of Nike or other brands. And I mean, when I say that Chinese quality sucks, I know what I am talking about. Once I bought a pair of "fake" Nike shoes. After a month the sole was totally detached from the rest of the shoe. Something like that with a real Nike has never happened to me.

Now, I agree that paying a pair of Nike 170 € is crazy (even though I was justified because they were the Air max 97 - silver). But I also think that it is necessary to give the right value to things. If you find a long sleeved shirt that costs 10 €, it is obvious that it is Chinese. I mean, as my mom made me notice, with 10 € the people who made it barely managed to buy all the fabric required to make it. So it is obvious that a shirt cannot be so cheap. Here the average price of a shirt is 50-60 € (man's long sleeved, of excellent quality - made in Italy).

I know, I am only rambling... but it freaks me out that there are people out there (and maybe some Naoiees are too, I don't know) who buy Chinese crappy products, not privileging the products made in their own country or in Europe. If China is not stopped now, if we cannot kick it out of our market, then Europe will be in serious trouble later on. And I know that we could say "Well what the heck could we do about it?". My suggestion is to stop buying Chinese products. You can easily spot them. Either because it is written that it is made in China, or from the very low price, or from the total lack of "made in..." We don't need to be consumistic. We don't need to buy 8 pairs of shoes all at once. It is much better to buy ONE pair of shoes, which is of good quality, and possibly made in our own country.

BTW. Sorry if from the non-iron shirts I got to ramble about all of this stuff :P I just needed to see it written down, because it is a situation that upsets me quite a bit.

Italy no longer accepts illegal immigrants. Mr. B sink their boats!!!!!!!

This post was edited by andromacha on Apr 06, 2007.

Apr 06, 2007 16:33 # 44375

smashedmotif * agrees...

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Knowing you are Italian explains a lot. I was unaware of this bit of information.

If I would of known of this before, then I would of not suggested wrinkle free items.

Italians seem to have sense for quality.

That shirt you have a link to is by far not the type I was referring to. Please don't ever frighten me with such horrors as by inserting links to pages of that sort.

I think I need to call a trauma center and speak to a counselor so I can deal with erasing the memory.

You are a faithful customer, too, for going to the store you mention. I wouldn't shop any place else, either, knowing the excellent quality of their shirts and other products.

I'm not even going to mention again the aweful brandnames you dared to mention in your post. You wouldn't catch me dead in that shirt. I wouldn't even use it to hang yogurt.

As for products made in China, that is one reason I go about a whole day searching out items, when needed for the home and life, instead of settling for Wal-Mart.

I can't believe I just said that store's name.

One thing that makes me tired is, when people mention about a store and "lower" prices. People are so concerned with numbers. Whatever happened to wanting quality and style.

It sure is refreshing to know that there are others out there who know what quality is.

Thank you for your reply.

side note: Four generations back, my mother's father's side came from Piedmont. We were farmers and used horses to plow the fields.

I love reading Russian Literature!!!

Apr 06, 2007 22:30 # 44376

andromacha *** feels excited about...

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side note: Four generations back, my mother's father's side came from Piedmont. We were farmers and used horses to plow the fields.

This is what I call a coincidence! I am from Piedmont myself. I live in Turin now, but I used to live in the countryside when I was younger.

Italy no longer accepts illegal immigrants. Mr. B sink their boats!!!!!!!

Apr 06, 2007 23:24 # 44377

smashedmotif * replies...

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I have distant cousins there, some place. I've to ask my mom on that one. I'm not sure of their age. I look less Piedmont than my sister, Celeste. She is a striking image of Piedmont, blond hair and green eyes. My eye are green and I've blondish hair, but my eyes sockets look more Macedonian, like my mom's mom's side.

Celeste happens to work with horses, too. Call it a family tradition.

The sad thing is, I know not, Italian language. Mama mia!

So cool to meet you all.

I love reading Russian Literature!!!

This post was edited by smashedmotif on Apr 06, 2007.

Apr 18, 2007 06:58 # 44410

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Brief update

Soo, due to me being busy and a number of other factors *coughbadtimemanagementcough* the imaginary presentation of prizes has been somewhat delayed. Anyway, the chocolate shall be obtained & packed today, and shipped tomorrow. Expect 1-4 weeks delivery time, depending on where you live; US citizens please add a random delay ranging from 2-12 days, to be determined by US customs officials by throwing two dice. (Or so it seems.)

Deimos, I still haven't got your address - could you send it to me in a short e-mail or something? (I promise not to sell it.)

When life hands you a lemon, that's 40% of your RDA of vitamin C taken care of.

Apr 20, 2007 06:22 # 44424

smashedmotif * feels excited about...

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What a perfect time for a ship to arrive, too. Just in time for the wedding. Yipee!

I love reading Russian Literature!!!


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