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Oct 14, 2008 08:09 # 46070

anxuamen * wants to know...

Multiple deaths

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Assuming that one has a soul and spirit can they die on multiple occasions before physically dying? If one is trampled and oppressed to point where they are broken has their spirit died? And if a person's will to live is diminished does is it their soul that has passed? just a few thoughts from the peanut gallery.

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Feb 25, 2009 18:39 # 46278

dres * replies...

Re: Multiple deaths

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Assuming that one has a soul and spirit

Isn't that a rather large assumption to make?

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Feb 26, 2009 05:34 # 46279

anxuamen * replies...

Opinion only

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Yes, but it is merely a thought for those who believe in both. It has been something I have been contemplating for quite some time now and I just wanted to see what others thought about it. Therefore, if you may have another opinion concerning the actual topic please feel free to uphold an intelligent conversation. Thank you.

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Mar 08, 2009 04:50 # 46292

zen *** replies...

Re: Multiple deaths

Isn't that a rather large assumption to make?

only if one's looking to start an arguement. I mean, hasn't this issue been discussed enough that simply by virtue of the raging debate, has to be accepted a priore that it does exist?

I suppose you can have the "enlightened," and "liberated" view that a spirit or soul doesn't exists. But this is merely you regurgitating some other person's view of Creation. By automatic gain-say, your point's neither more, nor less, provable.

You may say, it's a huge assumption to make that such a thing doesn't exist because you can't "observe" it.
But yet you know, everyone knows: tenacity, the will to fight and win, love for someone, care for someone, hurt, etc. On the one hand they're emotions, but what is an emotion: it's something that you can feel. One can't see it, but just the same, it exists.

One might say, well emotions aren't the same thing as a spirit.
Well, how do you know that? Where do feelings come from, after all? Perhaps they're just random firings of neurons that mean nothing. Logically then, emotions mean nothing, and do not exist. Yet clearly they do.

If one accepts the existence of emotions, which are not provable, one has to at least accept the existence of a spirit, or soul, regardless of a lack of "empiracle" evidence.

And I'd argue the point whether or not spirits, and spiritual energy has been empiracally proven in a number of cases.

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This post was edited by zen on Mar 08, 2009.

Mar 08, 2009 04:30 # 46291

zen *** replies...

Re: Multiple deaths

Can't believe someone rated this down. I think it's a great topic. I'm completely into this kind of thing.
The main reason why I'm interested in this topic is because I've actually died once. I was about 6, and learned the hard way that I'm not faster than a moving vehicle.
I believe that people can die on more than occasion, and still come back. A number of musicians, and a few friends of mine have died from overdoses, on more than one occasion.

The Ancient Egyptians, in their Book of the Dead, list 9 different "souls" or "spirits" that are part of us in our lives. These 9 spirit souls are like density levels of existence.
The first, bottom souls, and the parts relating to our physical bodies, and the spirit of our physical world.
The Ka, Ba, Qat, Qaph, Kef, et al, all represent the various levels of existence that we simultaneously occupy through our journey in Creation.

In Occult science, we learn what we have a "subtle" body that vibrates, and absorbs that "esp" kinda stuff around us, after a fashion, it's the subconscious, on a mental level.

Our emotions have alot to do with the these levels of our souls. The variety of emotions down here we often shut ourselves off to, not realizing that those emotions are the key to getting to higher, and other levels of being.
It's through our emotions that the Universe, Creation, The Creator, The All, is able to know itself, like us looking in a mirror, and asking friends their opinions, and seeking approval, it's our creators seeing themselves in our image.

People can indeed die multiple deaths, and we can indeed be killed on many levels.
What we find is that those upper levels depend on the lower levels to be stable. It's Maslow's Heirarchy of Needs, but it seems to me a self-evident thing. As above so below.

But here's the thing about it. Our body may die, but that part of you, your subtle body, which is only on loan to you while you're a corporate entity, can never die because it comes from Creation itself.
Our bodies never die, in that respect. They just get recycled and reused by Nature.

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Mar 08, 2009 10:10 # 46295

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Re: Multiple deaths

Can't believe someone rated this down. I think it's a great topic.

I gave it a nice rating because I thought it's just that.

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Mar 10, 2009 04:34 # 46307

anxuamen * replies...

Thoughts to ignite opinions

But here's the thing about it. Our body may die, but that part of you, your subtle body, which is only on loan to you while you're a corporate entity, can never die because it comes from Creation itself.
Our bodies never die, in that respect. They just get recycled and reused by Nature.

If our bodies are reused what do they become? Merely fertilizer? And if our soul can never die where does it go after physical death? Reincarnation or perhaps they just float about aimlessly?

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Mar 10, 2009 13:12 # 46310

zen *** replies...

Re: Thoughts to ignite opinions

Ultimately, after enough time, your body just gets recycled by the elements. Given enough Time, everything physical that you know, or have ever know becomes, yes, fertilizer.
The Egyptians believed that the body itself had a soul, and they mumified it so that the King/Lord would be reunited with it on the other side.

And if our soul can never die where does it go after physical death?

Where does your soul go when you dream? Where do you go? When you're daydreaming, and "asleep in class", where do you go?

There's the you that's attached to your ego, your physical body, and your thoughts and feelings attached to that.
Then there's the REAL you, which is your spirit: the functioning, intelligent, laughing, "present" you.

Ever had the experience of someone "tuning-out" on you, where they're physically there, but not listening to a dam word you're saying: where did that person go?

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Mar 10, 2009 09:56 # 46308

andromacha *** replies...

Re: Multiple deaths

How do you know that you've actually died? I mean... I am just trying to understand how you got to that conclusion. Did you see the light at the end of the tunnel and decided to get back and all those things that people who were in a coma say that they have experienced?

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Mar 10, 2009 13:06 # 46309

zen *** replies...

Re: Multiple deaths

First let me say that It was a traumatic event that I blocked out for many years. Eventually, working through, of all things, my dreams, I have come to understand that I did, in fact die.
Once the car hit me, and I felt my head hit the pavement, and the pain was instantaneous. After that I recall seeing my body from above it. I actually stayed with my lifeless corpse.
I could see everything going on. I could see the ambulance get there. Could hear my mom in the background, cause she just knew.
I followed my body in the ambulance all the way to the hospital.
By that point I wasn't "attached" to my body anymore.
My body was in the emergency room, and I sorta floated inbetween that, and other things that I was getting shown as well, and a kinda voice kept telling me that I have to go back, and I didn't want to.
The voice kept saying, "it's not your time."
It was the kindest voice and I didn't want to go back, I want to stay where I was. I knew that I was heading back to alot of pain and I didn't want to go back.
I saw my body on the table in the emergency room, saw them fussing with me, and everyone was running around.
I hovered over the emergency room, I could see the top of the big light they use.
I did eventually see a light, but coming back. It was the big overhead light they use.
I know alot of people see that light, and I guess I did see a light, but not in the same sense.

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Nov 07, 2010 23:11 # 46880

yalaclaus * replies...

Re: Multiple deaths

Are men and women sure that you aware of what it means to die?

"If one is trampled and oppressed to point where they are broken has their spirit died?"

No, it only means that their spirit is dormant...your spirit will not die until you yourself actually die (departing from this world).

Many cruel man and women died because they assumed that they opressed their victims to the point of them being completely dead and thus submissive to their will (or wills, I do not know, grammar is not my forte).

And if a person's will to live is diminished does is it their soul that has passed?

Most certainly not, if a person's will to live is diminished it only means that they are too lazy and weak to search for a legitimate reason to live, excuse my frankness (the truth is often blunt and bitter). It has nothing to do with the soul, at all, people simply choose to believe so because it makes it easier to justify the cowardly act (once again excuse my frankness).

just a few thoughts from the peanut gallery.

Sorry, but what is the peanut gallery? Allow me to express ignorance about something that does not seem to carry much importance.

Curiosity "for the win" as they say.

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