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Oct 31, 2009 14:37 # 46570

harold_maude *** replies...

Re: Gay Marriage -- Procreating

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This is a great hot touchy subject...where are my oven mitts?
I read the whole thing, all the debate and reasonings.
So I'm going to throw my thoughts into the mix.

If all marriage means is having babies, then every time two people of the opposite gender have sex and it results in pregency which is procreation, then alot of people have been married for at least a few hours while they were making that baby.
And if you really want to get techical, than any woman who has gotten pregnant by using donor sperm from a sperm bank has married herself to a test tube.

If marriage is about pair bonding for life irregardless of procreation, then marriage has nothing to do with a pairing of two opposite genders, but rather it's about emotional attachment and an agreement to be in an exclusive primary relationship with the intent to remain as a pair for life.

I think the reason that gay marriage is such a hot issue is that it threatens an exclusive hetros only club. Much in the same way that any gender exclusive club gets upset when a memeber of the opposite gender wants to join. The difference is that unlike other clubs, the hetro only club says that right to have sex is theirs exclusively, and that the only good sex that is moral is in a marriage between a man and a woman.
This goes even further in the hetros only club: the only kind of good sex is that which results in procreation.

Any other sex outside of that, even in a hetro relationship, is bad, it's breaking the rules of the hetros only club.
Which is completely hypocritical at best. But just because it's hypocritical doesn't mean that the rules to allow others into the hetros only club will go down easliy. There's too much tradition tied up in it.

This post was edited by harold_maude on Oct 31, 2009.

Feb 25, 2011 17:58 # 47026

Wekobo ** replies...

Re: Gay Marriage -- Procreating

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I hope i dont mess this one up and step on peoples toes here,

Homosexual marriages should be morally accepted, after all, they can all feel pain and love with our without a mental illness and some may point out that homosexuality is in fact a mental illness. Is it? Geez i dont know, why not ask a homosexual, im sure he or she will come up with a good response haha.

Anyhow, here is my opinion on the matter, homosexuality is obviously not very accepted by society, and this is something that we have to realize and hold on to, because if you are going to be openly gay, you have to face it that not everyone is going to accept this or is going to tolerate it. Something you just cant beat the majority or make it realize that they are hard headed. So i say just keep it to your self and your partner, being married does not mean that it will make you relationship more valuable, or make you guys love each other more. Live and let live, who cares about that the majority has to say, it will not affect your daily life or will affect you significant other, its a personal choice, so keep it personal.

I guess that would be my opinion on the subject, is it wrong and unfair to think this way? Yeah it is, but as harsh as it might be its reality, who cares if people accept you or not, just be you and who cares.

Now about families being different simply because its a single mother or father, who cares, its still a family, there is love among the family and respect, also union than its a family. NO matter how many members its still a family. Even if its just you are your dog its a family.

About gays adopting. Like i said before, live your life, don't get your self in trouble because the truth is that not everyone accepts adoption by gays, people see it as a spawn pool. "OH if his parents are gay than he/she is fay!" That is how sadly people see it. is it ok? no its not but that's how they see it. But like i said before, if there is love and union among the members than its a family. A family is a family to the eyes of the members, it will not make any difference what other think.

Well sorry for making this post a little long, its just that i only get to post like 3 times a day here (which sucks) so i had to take advantage of this one post haha.

My regards,

Joey

You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep

Mar 15, 2011 02:40 # 47031

zen *** replies...

Re: Gay Marriage -- Procreating

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Thanks for your input, and opinions. I think that the only time on this site where one "steps on another's toes" is when that opinion is given respectfully. I think you did that.
I'm glad you poted because it keeps this topic alive. It's no less relevant now than it was when I originally posted it back when.

love with our without a mental illness and some may point out that homosexuality is in fact a mental illness. Is it?

Well, it's a good thing there's no test for sanity, or else alot of people wouldn't be allowed to marriage. Personally I think there should be a sanity test for those who are looking to procreate. In my humble opinion, it would make the world a better place.
Is homosexuality a mental pathology, abbheration, or mental illness? No. It does, however, take a sick mind to judge others, and say they aren't mentally well.

Something you just cant beat the majority or make it realize that they are hard headed. So i say just keep it to your self and your partner, being married does not mean that it will make you relationship more valuable, or make you guys love each other more. Live and let live, who cares about that the majority has to say, it will not affect your daily life or will affect you significant other, its a personal choice, so keep it personal.

I can see your viewpoint, but then I also point-out that all marriage in this society (i.e. America) is by personal choice. we don't have fixed marriages, bridal prices, dowrys, and anything of the sort anymore. The main point I make is that if the hetros get to freely choose who they will, based on little more that "love", then that equation only makes sense when extended to gays.
In fact the intent of my original post was talking specifically about procreating, and producing offspring, but that's almost a mute point in this whole topic.
The promise of the Constitution is to grant rights and freedoms to all people. While it doesn't specify marriage as either a right, or a guarentee, it is accepted that it falls within the "pursuit of happiness" doctrine. True, people might not be for gay marriage, so what. You don't have to be invited. Turn away. What business is it of yours? (I'm not saying this specifically to you, Wekobo, except in the metaphorical sense.)

About gays adopting. Like i said before, live your life, don't get your self in trouble because the truth is that not everyone accepts adoption by gays, people see it as a spawn pool. "OH if his parents are gay than he/she is fay!" That is how sadly people see it. is it ok? no its not but that's how they see it. But like i said before, if there is love and union among the members than its a family. A family is a family to the eyes of the members, it will not make any difference what other think.

Not everyone accepts...so what. Not everyone accepted slavery--so we should just go along with it and keep our slaves hidden? Not everyone accepts a woman, or person-other-than-white as a president, so we should just forget about it, stick with the status quo?
If me and my dog were accepted as a family, under the eyes of the law, and protected as such, sure it wouldn't matter what our legal status, but then that isn't happening.
The point I made, and anyone has still to competently contradict it, is that a homosexual couple make as as good, if not better set of parents than does a hetro couple.

Once Fred Neitszche declared God is Dead, f*ck became the most important word in the English languag


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