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Apr 01, 2003 09:55 # 9957

Jaz *** wants to know...

How to get people to rate?

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I've been thinking a lot about how to get people to rate posts more often. Even though a huge number of posts are being written, only a handful of users are actively rating right now.

An effect of that is that new users are ranking up more slowly than they should, and that many good posts are gathering less attention than they should.

Also I and null often have to moderate up good topics to the frontpage manually. If there was more rating taking place, frontpage topics would be chosen completely by the users and I think it should be like that.

Some thoughts:

  • null suggested to give people points for rating other posts, so you would rank up by rating as well. Do you think that would motivate people to rate?

  • Should the "Rate this post..." box be highlighted more?

  • There could be more messages reminding people to rate stuff. Right now there's only a reminder on the news page (it pops up if you haven't rated in a while), which doesn't seem to be so effective.

  • In case people just can't be convinced to rate we could give a selected, willing few more rating power. It would be nice to find another solution than that as I believe it should be left to the users to moderate themselves.

Any more ideas? I'd be happy to hear them!

Take care, Jaz

'Yeah, That's what Jesus would do. Jesus would bomb Afghanistan. Yeah.' - snowlion

Apr 01, 2003 11:07 # 9966

Jeanette *** replies...

Re: How to get people to rate?

Funnily enough me and Mel were talking about this earlier. I've also noticed less posts getting rated since when I first joined. I think ratings are pretty important. When I see no ratings on my posts I start feeling left out :( and like no one's really interested.

All your ideas are pretty good, but I hope

we could give a selected, willing few more rating power. It would be nice to find another solution than that as I believe it should be left to the users to moderate themselves.

is a last resort that doesn't become resorted to.

There could be more messages reminding people to rate stuff.

Fantastic idea. I always forget.

give people points for rating other posts

I think this'd work. But would it matter what kind of ratings you gave? And would the raking up be all that significant. People might just go round rating everything without reading them just so they could get these points.

What about limiting acess to writing posts if you haven't been rating a lot?

I'm glad you've decided to adress this issue. It's an important part of NAO.

Which world is Plato in?

Apr 01, 2003 13:14 # 9975

Jaz *** replies...

Re: How to get people to rate?

People might just go round rating everything without reading them just so they could get these points.

That's a danger I see as well. Also the idea of the whole rating/ranks thing is that you have to expose yourself (by writing posts) before you're going to be judged. Rating other posts does not expose you in any way because it's all anonymous (even though at some time the computer might kick in and lower you're rating power in case your rating behavious is completely obscure).

What about limiting acess to writing posts if you haven't been rating a lot?

Mmmh... now that you've been mentioning it I think any attempt to force people to rate stuff will only result in users rating stuff randomly. Only a voluntary rating expresses an expressive statement. We should find ways to get people to rate voluntarily.

'Yeah, That's what Jesus would do. Jesus would bomb Afghanistan. Yeah.' - snowlion

This post was edited by Jaz on Apr 01, 2003.

Apr 01, 2003 20:56 # 9996

Orchid *** throws in her two cents...

Re: How to get people to rate?

give people points for rating other posts, so you would rank up by rating as well. Do you think that would motivate people to rate?

I don't like that idea. First, there could again come up some ranking war, second, people would just rate so that they have rated and gain a higher rank.

Well, maybe you have to change the system, so that people can also rank up with little ratings.
There are sure a lot of posts written but most of them are technical, very short, comments, personal things.
Users also "rate" if they don't rate, they just decide, the post is wether good nor bad...

Well, sorry, I can't imagine a productive proposal :/

"Sie wollen nichts anderes. Sie wollen kämpfen! Sie sind Soldaten! Fucking Wahnsinnige!" - Noel G.

This post was edited by Orchid on Apr 01, 2003.

Apr 01, 2003 21:01 # 9998

mace *** replies...

Re: How to get people to rate?

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How about only allowing people to reply to a post if they've rated it? It's forcing people to rate, but at the same time, it must be a post that they have some interest in, since they are replying to it.

This post was edited by mace on Apr 01, 2003.

Apr 01, 2003 21:23 # 10002

null throws in his two cents...

Re: How to get people to rate?

I'd support this idea... except for this: when I don't have an opinion about a post (but want to reply anyway), this would force me to give a rating I don't want to give.

Hey, what about a big 'rate this post' box (with the chance to rate rightaway) appearing when you click Reply?

When life hands you a lemon, that's 40% of your RDA of vitamin C taken care of.

Apr 01, 2003 21:28 # 10005

mace *** replies...

Re: How to get people to rate?

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If you don't have an opinion, what are you replying for? =P

Apr 01, 2003 21:33 # 10006

null has a suggestion...

Re: How to get people to rate?

Replying to a (tech) question? Needs to be answered, but isn't necessarily 'spam', 'nice' or 'excellent'. :-)

When life hands you a lemon, that's 40% of your RDA of vitamin C taken care of.

This post was edited by null on Apr 01, 2003.

Apr 01, 2003 22:49 # 10011

mace *** replies...

Re: How to get people to rate?

If there are cases where no available rating is appropriate, maybe another degree of rating needs to be added...

Apr 01, 2003 23:40 # 10016

Jaz *** replies...

Re: How to get people to rate?

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Replying to a (tech) question? Needs to be answered, but isn't necessarily 'spam', 'nice' or 'excellent'. :-)

Isn't the style of writing always worth a rating?

  • Well formulated question = Nice

  • Bad spelling, bad punctuation, author used the word "LOL" = Mediocre

I'm serious. Can you find technical posts longer than, say, 5 lines that should not receive any rating?

I'm afraid that adding a "No opinion" button will render the whole idea useless.

'Yeah, That's what Jesus would do. Jesus would bomb Afghanistan. Yeah.' - snowlion

Apr 02, 2003 03:08 # 10024

artrus *** replies...

Re: How to get people to rate?

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Well couldn't you make a new rating option? Like 'interesing thought'. That would cover tech questions and such.

2nd Corinthians 5:7 "for we walk by faith, not by sight" ............I might be wrong...............

Apr 02, 2003 04:45 # 10029

mace *** replies...

Re: How to get people to rate?

But then what percentage value would that rating represent?

Apr 02, 2003 08:27 # 10036

null throws in his two cents...

Re: How to get people to rate?

Isn't the style of writing always worth a rating?

"What is a browser?"
"What is Paxil?"
"Can anybody recommend a good uC with low power consumption and built-in Flash memory?"

I don't know... maybe it's just me, but sometimes I feel a rating just isn't appropriate.
Of course you as the site owner have the last word, Jaz, but my humble self feels a bit uncomfortable about any kind of force. Especially when I'm forced to give a rating I don't want to give (in these cases it would have to be 'nice').

Hey, did you notice that even the highest politicians experience the same problem: people don't vote :-)

When life hands you a lemon, that's 40% of your RDA of vitamin C taken care of.

This post was edited by null on Apr 02, 2003.

Apr 02, 2003 08:47 # 10039

Jaz *** replies...

Re: How to get people to rate?

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"What is a browser?"
"What is Paxil?"
"Can anybody recommend a good uC with low power consumption and built-in Flash memory?"

These would all register under the category "too short - no rating demanded when replying".

I don't know... maybe it's just me, but sometimes I feel a rating just isn't appropriate.

I actually know what you mean. It's not that I'm saying a "no opinion" button wouldn't make sense for, my (entitled?) fear is that people would use that all the time as a sort of "Continue without thinking" button.

Could there be a way to make the "No opinion" button more of a pain to use than the others?

'Yeah, That's what Jesus would do. Jesus would bomb Afghanistan. Yeah.' - snowlion

Apr 02, 2003 09:06 # 10041

MelMel *** replies...

Re: How to get people to rate?

Could there be a way to make the "No opinion" button more of a pain to use than the others?

you could always make it something you need to click twice, like you click it, it takes you to another page you click once more then your done...i dont know they always annoy me!

-mel

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Apr 02, 2003 20:00 # 10069

null posts about...

Re: How to get people to rate?

my (entitled?) fear is that people would use that all the time as a sort of "Continue without thinking" button.

Yeah, I think you're right about this one.

OTOH (just came in from the guys at the thought factory), do you want a) more ratings or b) a way to get every user to rate? Because if a) is the case, I think force wouldn't be necessary. I for one would probably rate more if the site just put the focus on a rating box whenever I click Reply.

Just my .02. :-)

When life hands you a lemon, that's 40% of your RDA of vitamin C taken care of.

Apr 02, 2003 22:02 # 10075

Orchid *** replies...

Re: How to get people to rate?

thought factory? What do you mean?
And who is Echolon?
Questions over questions...

"Sie wollen nichts anderes. Sie wollen kämpfen! Sie sind Soldaten! Fucking Wahnsinnige!" - Noel G.

Apr 04, 2003 10:19 # 10113

Jaz *** replies...

Re: How to get people to rate?

OTOH (just came in from the guys at the thought factory), do you want a) more ratings or b) a way to get every user to rate?

I'd say a) but also c) have new users realize that rating is important. In the past the vast userbase of NAO mainly consisted of people who witnessed the creation (and evolution) of ranks and ratings from the very beginning and so realized that ratings matter.

The situation today, on the other hand is that a lot of new people are joining and don't really realize the importance of ratings for the whole site to function. Who can blame them, after all rating is not part of most discussion boards they might know.

'Yeah, That's what Jesus would do. Jesus would bomb Afghanistan. Yeah.' - snowlion

Apr 02, 2003 09:31 # 10042

Orchid *** throws in her two cents...

Re: How to get people to rate?

what about a big 'rate this post' box (with the chance to rate rightaway) appearing when you click Reply?

I like this idea. You have to chose a rating or click a button called "no rating" before you reply. I think this would definitely increase the amount of ratings.

Other thought: Jaz, I think your post got psychological value: Only through picking up the topic "How to get people..." you make people rate. Well, maybe it's just me but I started to rate some posts when I logged in the next time... :)

"Sie wollen nichts anderes. Sie wollen kämpfen! Sie sind Soldaten! Fucking Wahnsinnige!" - Noel G.

Apr 02, 2003 10:21 # 10046

null replies...

Re: How to get people to rate?

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Only through picking up the topic "How to get people..." you make people rate. Well, maybe it's just me but I started to rate some posts when I logged in the next time...

Same for me. :-) Altho I wouldn't have admitted it alone, because it implies that I've been a rather lazy rater lately. :-P

When life hands you a lemon, that's 40% of your RDA of vitamin C taken care of.

Apr 01, 2003 23:34 # 10014

Jaz *** replies...

Rate to reply

How about only allowing people to reply to a post if they've rated it?

Brillant! I will go with that idea. Furthermore I think it would be a good idea to only enforce a rating for topic posts, or posts longer than X lines.

'Yeah, That's what Jesus would do. Jesus would bomb Afghanistan. Yeah.' - snowlion

Apr 02, 2003 10:39 # 10049

Orchid *** wants to know...

Re: Rate to reply

What if you want to reply a simple question? How should one rate that?

"Sie wollen nichts anderes. Sie wollen kämpfen! Sie sind Soldaten! Fucking Wahnsinnige!" - Noel G.

Apr 02, 2003 13:00 # 10057

Jaz *** replies...

Re: Rate to reply

What if you want to reply a simple question? How should one rate that?

As I mentioned short posts do not have to be rated.

'Yeah, That's what Jesus would do. Jesus would bomb Afghanistan. Yeah.' - snowlion

Apr 02, 2003 17:06 # 10062

jdonnell *** replies...

Re: How to get people to rate?

I came to NAO when half-empty.org went down. There are a couple of things that I liked about helf-empty that I think would work well here.

On half-empty you were encouraged to rate because a rated post would be collapsed the next time you visited the site. On NAO I have to scroll through all the posts I've already read, and read a little bit to make sure it's something I've already read. Collapsing posts that have been rated is a great navigational convenience and will encourage people to rate. I'm not sure that I explained this well and I'm in a bit of a hurry so please ask if it isn't clear.

Rating on half-empty didn't force a reload of the page.
When I rate on NAO I have to wait a few seconds for the rating to "take effect" before I can continue reading posts, and that is a little annoying.

Apr 02, 2003 17:52 # 10063

Orchid *** throws in her two cents...

Re: How to get people to rate?

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So where goes the post after collapsing? Is it still readable anywhere?

Yes, I also don't like the reloading of the page after rating but didn't know there is another possibility to have an effect...

"Sie wollen nichts anderes. Sie wollen kämpfen! Sie sind Soldaten! Fucking Wahnsinnige!" - Noel G.

Apr 03, 2003 03:59 # 10084

jdonnell *** replies...

Re: How to get people to rate?

The collapsed post only showed the title of the post which was a link to the full text.

Apr 02, 2003 21:34 # 10072

Jaz *** replies...

Re: How to get people to rate?

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On half-empty you were encouraged to rate because a rated post would be collapsed the next time you visited the site. On NAO I have to scroll through all the posts I've already read, and read a little bit to make sure it's something I've already read.

Well here we have the concept of "unread" posts that automatically collapse after a logout. The Unread forums page only displays topics I haven't read yet, so I don't have to read any post twice.

A way to implement this idea without breaking anything else would be to add another "Show unrated only" tab to the topic view.

Rating on half-empty didn't force a reload of the page.
When I rate on NAO I have to wait a few seconds for the rating to "take effect" before I can continue reading posts, and that is a little annoying.

However, if I remember correctly the new rating average (changed through my vote) wasn't shown until after a page reload, was it?

Registering the vote in a popup would be a technical triviality. Making the updated percentage show up without a reload would include some ugly Javascript monging.

'Yeah, That's what Jesus would do. Jesus would bomb Afghanistan. Yeah.' - snowlion


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